More conversations on homosexuality. Count this #5. The other 2 I had were really just repeats of previous happenings. This one was between a person I've only talked to once before, and hits a bit closer to my faith in God.

Goodi2shusbabi (9:18:12 PM): heylo
Steak220 (9:18:20 PM): hey
Steak220 (9:18:33 PM): here to debate, I presume?
Steak220 (9:18:40 PM): and you're kat, right?
Goodi2shusbabi (9:18:42 PM): hehe yeah
Goodi2shusbabi (9:18:44 PM): to both
Goodi2shusbabi (9:19:11 PM): and i have the most right to over either sho or zoe becuase it actually pertains to me (if i lived in mass.)
Steak220 (9:19:48 PM): yeah, zoe wasn't really willing to listen to what I have to say
Steak220 (9:19:55 PM): sho was, but I'm willing to talk more
Goodi2shusbabi (9:20:05 PM): ::folds hands and waits pstiently::
Steak220 (9:21:48 PM): ok, I'm a little less flushed now...
Goodi2shusbabi (9:21:54 PM): lol okay
Steak220 (9:21:54 PM): what's your first point to bring up?
Goodi2shusbabi (9:22:17 PM): why should two people who are in love, same sex or opposite sex be denied the right to make that legal?
Goodi2shusbabi (9:22:26 PM): and recognized by society?
Steak220 (9:22:57 PM): in a nutshell, I believe it is wrong, it's immoral, but that's just the opinionated part
Steak220 (9:23:52 PM): but I believe that homosexuality is unnatural, I believe it was produced by the confusion of our minds
Goodi2shusbabi (9:24:31 PM): in the eyes of a religion it may be immoral but do you think God would want us to suffer by trying to bend to the whims of society by not expressing our love for someone or be happy and together with those we love
Goodi2shusbabi (9:24:51 PM): it's scientifically proven that homosexuality is caused by a certain chemical present in the brain
Steak220 (9:25:19 PM): I am not too sure about the chemical presence
Steak220 (9:25:28 PM): there is no gay gene, it can't be inherited
Goodi2shusbabi (9:25:35 PM): thats true
Goodi2shusbabi (9:26:25 PM): but there is soemthing present in gay peoples minds that isn't in striaght peoples minds
Goodi2shusbabi (9:26:31 PM): its a proven fact
Steak220 (9:27:26 PM): i won't argue the presence of it, but you can also say of certain sicknesses, that the chemical can be produced later on in life
Steak220 (9:28:09 PM): a chemical presence may or may not mean muc
Steak220 (9:28:12 PM): much*
Goodi2shusbabi (9:29:46 PM): yeah well why should we be denied the right to display our emotions, why should we be scorned for our sexuality just because we're 'different' or not 'normal' whats the standard for being normal?!
Steak220 (9:30:09 PM): simple science can tell you something about it
Steak220 (9:30:53 PM): two guys can't reproduce, two women can't reproduce, now I know you don't have to have a baby in order to love, but that does say something
Steak220 (9:31:15 PM): in theory, if all people were gay, in 100 years, the world would be completely gone
Goodi2shusbabi (9:31:15 PM): yeah so
Goodi2shusbabi (9:32:37 PM): at least we're not going around getting knocked up while we're still minors, and when we are old enough to legally have sex then what about all those poor kids out there that are put up for adoption and have to live our of a plastic garbage bag as they're moved from place to place triyng to find a home, don't they need someone who can love them> and why does it matter whether that person is gay or staright as long as they can provide a good, safe home environment?
Steak220 (9:33:13 PM): but I believe they can't provide what a child really needs: balance
Steak220 (9:33:28 PM): food, shelter, clothes, yeah, those can be provided by just about anyone, if they're willing
Steak220 (9:35:58 PM): how can two men or two women provide an equal and fair view life and experience?
Steak220 (9:36:27 PM): there are certain things men experience then women don't, and vice versa, so how could two men give that kid the experience that a woman has?
Goodi2shusbabi (9:36:49 PM): its better to have two loving fathers/mothers than none at all
Steak220 (9:37:57 PM): look at it this way: if you have to buy some food, one dollar isn't gonna get you there, even though one dollar is better than none
Goodi2shusbabi (9:38:37 PM): ....one dollar meals at micky d's
Goodi2shusbabi (9:38:38 PM): lol
Goodi2shusbabi (9:38:49 PM): but thats just being biased
Steak220 (9:39:47 PM): but it isn't, I'm believing everything I tell you off of what I can tell from common sense, from what I see, from what I experience, everything around me tells me this
Goodi2shusbabi (9:39:58 PM): you're straight so of course your goign to think its wrong if anything differnet comes along, as a human your intitled to believe taht you are right and aything that contradicts you is wrong but what about us, us the gay people of the world who have to go through tortue to get a job, or to havea relationship or even have a steady, peaceful life, what about us?
Goodi2shusbabi (9:40:05 PM): what about every man is created equal?
Steak220 (9:40:39 PM): did I ever say homosexuals were LESS than heterosexuals? ever? i believe I didn't
Steak220 (9:40:53 PM): I am saying the act, not the actor is wrong
Goodi2shusbabi (9:41:14 PM): but whats the sense in being the actor if you're never gi en the cahnce to be on the stage>
Steak220 (9:42:00 PM): ok, change that to, I hate the sin, not the sinner.
Steak220 (9:42:30 PM): yes, I just called homosexuality a sin
Goodi2shusbabi (9:44:34 PM): where does it say that homeosexuality is a sin>?
Steak220 (9:45:11 PM): aha, in the Bible, my friend, the base of my life
Goodi2shusbabi (9:45:25 PM): oh god
Goodi2shusbabi (9:45:34 PM): its now i notice you ahve the same font as sam luddy
Goodi2shusbabi (9:45:36 PM): oh lord...
Goodi2shusbabi (9:45:45 PM): yes i jsut sinned again, so shoot me
Steak220 (9:45:54 PM): did I not just say something?
Steak220 (9:45:58 PM): hate the sin, not the sinner?
Steak220 (9:46:20 PM): i don't like how you take my God's name in vain, but I'm not going to force anything on you
Goodi2shusbabi (9:46:44 PM): i'm an active bi0sexual young lady who's a devoted catholic and lives by t he bible but doesn't live strictly word by word with the bible.
Steak220 (9:46:56 PM): so you don't live by the Bible
Steak220 (9:47:27 PM): Bible can't be paraphrased, intepreted, or changed, it is what it is, and you either follow it or you don't
Goodi2shusbabi (9:48:12 PM): if you lived word by word of the bible you'd be amish
Steak220 (9:48:22 PM): not tru, not tru
Goodi2shusbabi (9:48:22 PM): are you amish tim?
Goodi2shusbabi (9:48:27 PM): yes, yes it is
Steak220 (9:48:58 PM): nowhere does it say you should give up all mechanical devices, move to the country, etc.
Steak220 (9:49:04 PM): if I lived by the Bible
Steak220 (9:49:07 PM): I would never swear
Steak220 (9:49:12 PM): I would study and pray every day
Steak220 (9:49:18 PM): stidy the Bible, that is
Goodi2shusbabi (9:49:30 PM): lemme ask tyou a question
Steak220 (9:49:32 PM): and many more things
Goodi2shusbabi (9:49:50 PM): ever had a girlfriend?( i have a point i promise)
Steak220 (9:49:51 PM): unfortunately, I don't do all that, but I do my best
Steak220 (9:49:58 PM): no, I have never had the luck
Goodi2shusbabi (9:50:07 PM): do you still ahve virgin lips?
Steak220 (9:50:13 PM): yes, I do
Goodi2shusbabi (9:50:27 PM): are u proud of that?
Steak220 (9:50:58 PM): I would actually prefer to have a girlfriend I could kiss, or at least would kiss me, but no, I don't really show it off
Steak220 (9:51:15 PM): if you mean by speech, unfortunately I do swear, but I stopped
Goodi2shusbabi (9:52:05 PM): see by saying you'd perfer a gf to kiss or to be kissed by technically you're have sinful thoughts
Steak220 (9:52:17 PM): actually, that's not true
Goodi2shusbabi (9:52:25 PM): trust me i just spent a whole 3 weeks on a sexual responsibility talk with my religion teacher
Goodi2shusbabi (9:52:37 PM): i will prevail on this one
Steak220 (9:52:49 PM): nowhere in the BIble does it say 'you may not kiss a girl, or you are an adulterer'
Steak220 (9:53:11 PM): it DOES say, however 'if you look at a women with lustful thoughts, you have already committed adultery'
Goodi2shusbabi (9:54:30 PM): so....are you a homophob tim?
Steak220 (9:54:45 PM): no, I'm not
Steak220 (9:55:04 PM): when I look at guy or girl I know is homosexual, I don't cringe, or cower, or sneer
Goodi2shusbabi (9:55:49 PM): lol, i admit it i'm a bad person
Goodi2shusbabi (9:58:06 PM): not only have a 'acted' as you put it, but i have malice for you, i want so bad to hurt you right now because of how strongly our opinions contradict and all the muscles in my arms are tense at the moment jsut becuase i'm extremely pissed of but not just fot that reason, i'm a bad person becuase i disrespect people, i'm openly bi, i think not dirty but immoral thoughts aobut other young women such as myself and i have nothing against gay men and women having the right to get married, i even encourage the homophobic country we are to overcome our predjudiceness and stop actign liek a bunch of mf-ers
Steak220 (9:59:16 PM): I don't really mind that you hate me
Steak220 (9:59:22 PM): I'm not here to be liked
Steak220 (9:59:33 PM): I'm trying to explain to you what I believe, and why I believe
Goodi2shusbabi (9:59:44 PM): i can't hate, i'm incapable of being hated, i just hte based people who don't give people like me who are different a chance
Steak220 (10:00:14 PM): you're taking my beliefs out of context, though
Steak220 (10:00:44 PM): let me explain every aspect of my belief on homosexuality
Steak220 (10:01:24 PM): i believe that homosexuality is the result of confusion, a mixed up state, which is not a physical thing, but a mental thing, turned physical
Goodi2shusbabi (10:01:36 PM): no...all this year i've been bitch at how the whole way i live my life is jstut wrong and i'm a selfish bitch but hey, if thats who i am then i'm proud to be a gay suicidal catholic who's clincally depressed at hasn't found herself yet
Steak220 (10:01:52 PM): I believe that it is commonly cause by dysfunctional families, by a msled childhood, or perhaps a misinformed one
Goodi2shusbabi (10:02:00 PM): missed that last one sorry
Steak220 (10:02:39 PM): I believe that gays are equal to other people, that they should have all rights, because they are people, but not the right of marriage, or any other sanction of the governemnt
Steak220 (10:03:14 PM): I believe they should not have that sanction, because homosexuality has too many ill effects on all those involved
Steak220 (10:03:45 PM): I believe, that homosexuals have the ability to make a choice, a choice to NOT be homosexual
Goodi2shusbabi (10:03:55 PM): thats not true
Goodi2shusbabi (10:04:06 PM): but anyone who's staright would say it s
Steak220 (10:04:19 PM): I also believe that my God created this earth, with the intention of romantic relationships consistening of ONE MAN, and ONE WOMAN
Goodi2shusbabi (10:04:37 PM): anyone who hasn't experienced being gay wouldn't know that sometimes it can kill you, it can hurt you so bad taht you wish you coudo g et out but you're just...trapped
Steak220 (10:04:52 PM): I believe that my God views gays and straight humans equally, because all people are sinners, and homosexuality is a sin like any other
Goodi2shusbabi (10:05:12 PM): it likes glass box, sealed air tight, you can see hte outsdie you jsut can't reach it
Steak220 (10:05:32 PM): I believe that if this law is passed, absolutely nothing good will come of it, I believe that if this law is passed, that our country will truly fall into pieces, because of what will ensue
Steak220 (10:06:00 PM): fortunately, gays have a choice they can make
Goodi2shusbabi (10:06:04 PM): nothing bad can come of love
Steak220 (10:06:06 PM): unfortunately, it is a VERY hard choice
Goodi2shusbabi (10:06:13 PM): there is no choice
Goodi2shusbabi (10:06:19 PM): how can you people not understand this
Steak220 (10:06:38 PM): yes there is, did you know that thousands of gays have gotten help, and realized what they were doing was wrong, and became straight?
Steak220 (10:06:42 PM): it happens EVERY DAY
Steak220 (10:06:46 PM): you don't hear about it
Steak220 (10:06:50 PM): because of propoganda
Steak220 (10:06:59 PM): you won't believe me, because you don't agree with me
Goodi2shusbabi (10:07:10 PM): lesbaisn and bi women, you don't know how hard i've prayed at night that i could be straight that i could be normal, not have problems that people coudl blame me for
Goodi2shusbabi (10:07:13 PM): thats alo your doing
Steak220 (10:07:28 PM): jsut cause u wish it will happen doesn't mean it will
Goodi2shusbabi (10:07:31 PM): we're differnet and you feel like you ahve to blame so,meome soyou blame us when we can't do anything aobut the way we are
Steak220 (10:07:54 PM): you have to put your entire day, your entire life into it, and it takes more than your effort to do it
Goodi2shusbabi (10:07:59 PM): God never made anyone perfect, gays included so why does everyone expect us not to be gay
Goodi2shusbabi (10:08:03 PM): i have no life
Steak220 (10:08:11 PM): because it isn't natural, God didn't create you this way!
Steak220 (10:08:16 PM): you BECAME this way
Goodi2shusbabi (10:08:21 PM): i jsut exist, okay, i have worse probelms than my sexuality to worry aobut
Goodi2shusbabi (10:08:25 PM): yeah, i know
Goodi2shusbabi (10:08:30 PM): i became a lot of things
Steak220 (10:08:35 PM): if you know, then why do you say you cannot change?
Goodi2shusbabi (10:08:38 PM): and i've sinned so much in my life
Steak220 (10:08:48 PM): so has everyone else!
Steak220 (10:08:55 PM): you think I'm perfect?
Goodi2shusbabi (10:09:00 PM): becuase theresa fine line between happiness and depression, depression and being suicidal, striaght and gay
Goodi2shusbabi (10:09:09 PM): and once you've crossed it theres almost never any going back
Steak220 (10:09:14 PM): but there is!
Steak220 (10:09:17 PM): lots of people go back!
Goodi2shusbabi (10:09:26 PM): lots of people ,apaprently not me
Steak220 (10:09:39 PM): it's beacause you aren't willing to do what it takes to make that change happen
Steak220 (10:10:17 PM): I can tell, just from the way you talk, that you've given up already, or you don't care
Goodi2shusbabi (10:10:57 PM): i tried okay, maggie broke my heart, i realized i'd never get anythign out of liking females and i tried to be straight okay, i hate liking girls but thats who i am and thats who i'm supposed to ber apparently nd i hate that everyday i struggle with myself and hate who i am maybe becuae of that or maybe not but all i know is that i'm not a good person, i don't deserve 2 be judged as one and i'm already a failure in the plan laid out for the world
Goodi2shusbabi (10:11:04 PM): and thers no going back from that, none at all
Steak220 (10:11:21 PM): yes there is! God will never let you go into a point of no return!
Steak220 (10:11:27 PM): the only time that will ever happen, is when you die
Steak220 (10:12:22 PM): by then, you've already had your time to make a decision, and that's it, you're either in heaven or hell
Steak220 (10:12:45 PM): but you gotta understand, God still loves you, even though you may be suffering, he's there
Steak220 (10:12:58 PM): you just gotta reach out for him, and you've got all the help you need right thre
Goodi2shusbabi (10:13:06 PM): people are always telling me i must have something graet to do in this world
Goodi2shusbabi (10:13:12 PM): god has stopped me from dying to many times
Goodi2shusbabi (10:13:40 PM): but i just don't see what i can do, i can't even make it through each day without crying and wishing he'd let me die
Steak220 (10:14:19 PM): i know what that feels like, I've been there before
Steak220 (10:14:29 PM): it's VERY hard to get out of there
Goodi2shusbabi (10:15:08 PM): eah well this is a relapse for me, and i dunno, it seems like i just exist and i'm walking someone esles life
Goodi2shusbabi (10:15:12 PM): someone i could never be
Steak220 (10:15:40 PM): but u can be that person, but you gotta put your effort into it
Steak220 (10:15:42 PM): if you really want it
Steak220 (10:15:51 PM): then you gotta really do it
Goodi2shusbabi (10:16:16 PM): i have to go
Goodi2shusbabi (10:16:17 PM): bye
Steak220 (10:16:22 PM): alright...
Goodi2shusbabi (10:16:22 PM): g
Steak220 (10:16:23 PM): ttyl
Steak220 (10:16:25 PM): take care
Steak220 (10:16:31 PM): wait
Steak220 (10:16:38 PM): may i post this in my blog?
Goodi2shusbabi (10:16:43 PM): yeah sure
Steak220 (10:16:45 PM): thanks